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Episode 154 with Ian MacAllen: Versatile Writer and Creator, Student of Foods and Cultures, and Author of Red Sauce: How Italian Food Became American The Chills at Will Podcast

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Episode 154 Notes and Links to Ian MacAllen’s Work 
 
   On Episode 154 of The Chills at Will Podcast, Pete welcomes Ian MacAllen, and the two mainly discuss topics and themes revolving around his book, Red Sauce: How Italian Food Became American. They talk about, among other things, parallels between Italian immigration patterns and Italian-American food, the evolution of Italian food from “exotic” and “foreign” to an American staple, red sauce in its many iterations as emblematic of this evolution, and slippery notions of “authenticity.”

   Ian MacAllen is the author of Red Sauce: How Italian Food Became American, (Rowman & Littlefield, April 2022). He is a writer, editor, and graphic designer living in Brooklyn. He is Art Director at The Rumpus, a contributor at America Domani and The Chicago Review of Books, and a member of The National Book Critics Circle. His writing has appeared in Chicago Review of Books, Southern Review of Books, The Offing, 45th Parallel Magazine, Little Fiction, Vol 1. Brooklyn, and elsewhere. He tweets @IANMACALLEN and is online at IANMACALLEN.COM.


Buy Red Sauce: How Italian Food Became American
 
Ian MacAllen's Website
 
“Power Ballin’: How Italian Food Became American” From America Domani, November, 2022
 
 
 
At about 7:10, Pete and Ian do the requisite Italian-American thing of comparing family last names
 
At about 9:50, Ian recounts stories from his visit to his family’s hometown in Bagnoli del Trigno, Molise, Italy
 
At about 11:45, Ian transitions into speaking of the slippery term, “authenticity,” especially with regards to Italian and Italian-American cuisine 
 
At about 14:20, Pete references Gustavo Arellano’s iconic Taco USA: How Mexican Food Conquered the US, and Ian mentions his recent read-the “fascinating” American Tacos: A History and Guide, by José Ralat
 
At about 17:00, Pete and Ian talk about al pastor tacos and their history as a microcosm of fusion 
 
At about 17:50, Ian details his early reading and writing and inspirations, including “single-topic food books,” such as Mark Kurlansky’s Salt 
 
At about 19:50, Ian cites John Mariani’s How Italian Food Conquered the World and its influence on him and the ways in which its focus differs from Ian’s with his book; Ian furthers expands upon his book’s philosophy 
 
At about 22:40, The two discuss ideas of “pan-Italian” food and Molise as representative of regional dishes and the slipperiness of nailing down a dish’s origins 
 
At about 26:50, Pete cites the commingling of spaghetti and meatballs through an accident involving Rudolph Valentino, and Pete and Ian cite regional sauce and polpette recipes from their family’s Italian roots
 
At about 31:35, Ian gives history on marketing “Italian food” in the days of heavy Italian immigration and highlights the relative newness of Italy as a unified country
 
At about 32:40, Ian discusses ideas of Italian food and its initial stereotyping as “foreign” and “dirty,” as well as later ways in which Italian food-spaghetti-was used as a paragon of “becoming American”
 
At about 35:20, Ian relates the telling story of his mother’s interactions with her future mother-in-law and its implications about Italian food and its “integra[tion] into American culture” and the “golden age of Italian food” in the US post WWII
 
At about 38:50, Ira Nevin and his gas-fired oven are referenced as evidence of the convenience culture’s influence on pizza and other Italian-American foods 
 
At about 42:20, Pete and Ian discuss Ian’s book’s opening regarding some iconic scenes with Paulie Walnuts from The Sopranos, and this leads to Ian giving background on the fiery “sauce” vs. “gravy” debate
 
At about 45:35, Ian uses Stanley Tucci’s life experiences as an example of the changes in the ways Italian food has been viewed by the American culture as a whole 
 
At about 46:55, Ian

Episode 154 Notes and Links to Ian MacAllen’s Work 
 
   On Episode 154 of The Chills at Will Podcast, Pete welcomes Ian MacAllen, and the two mainly discuss topics and themes revolving around his book, Red Sauce: How Italian Food Became American. They talk about, among other things, parallels between Italian immigration patterns and Italian-American food, the evolution of Italian food from “exotic” and “foreign” to an American staple, red sauce in its many iterations as emblematic of this evolution, and slippery notions of “authenticity.”

   Ian MacAllen is the author of Red Sauce: How Italian Food Became American, (Rowman & Littlefield, April 2022). He is a writer, editor, and graphic designer living in Brooklyn. He is Art Director at The Rumpus, a contributor at America Domani and The Chicago Review of Books, and a member of The National Book Critics Circle. His writing has appeared in Chicago Review of Books, Southern Review of Books, The Offing, 45th Parallel Magazine, Little Fiction, Vol 1. Brooklyn, and elsewhere. He tweets @IANMACALLEN and is online at IANMACALLEN.COM.


Buy Red Sauce: How Italian Food Became American
 
Ian MacAllen's Website
 
“Power Ballin’: How Italian Food Became American” From America Domani, November, 2022
 
 
 
At about 7:10, Pete and Ian do the requisite Italian-American thing of comparing family last names
 
At about 9:50, Ian recounts stories from his visit to his family’s hometown in Bagnoli del Trigno, Molise, Italy
 
At about 11:45, Ian transitions into speaking of the slippery term, “authenticity,” especially with regards to Italian and Italian-American cuisine 
 
At about 14:20, Pete references Gustavo Arellano’s iconic Taco USA: How Mexican Food Conquered the US, and Ian mentions his recent read-the “fascinating” American Tacos: A History and Guide, by José Ralat
 
At about 17:00, Pete and Ian talk about al pastor tacos and their history as a microcosm of fusion 
 
At about 17:50, Ian details his early reading and writing and inspirations, including “single-topic food books,” such as Mark Kurlansky’s Salt 
 
At about 19:50, Ian cites John Mariani’s How Italian Food Conquered the World and its influence on him and the ways in which its focus differs from Ian’s with his book; Ian furthers expands upon his book’s philosophy 
 
At about 22:40, The two discuss ideas of “pan-Italian” food and Molise as representative of regional dishes and the slipperiness of nailing down a dish’s origins 
 
At about 26:50, Pete cites the commingling of spaghetti and meatballs through an accident involving Rudolph Valentino, and Pete and Ian cite regional sauce and polpette recipes from their family’s Italian roots
 
At about 31:35, Ian gives history on marketing “Italian food” in the days of heavy Italian immigration and highlights the relative newness of Italy as a unified country
 
At about 32:40, Ian discusses ideas of Italian food and its initial stereotyping as “foreign” and “dirty,” as well as later ways in which Italian food-spaghetti-was used as a paragon of “becoming American”
 
At about 35:20, Ian relates the telling story of his mother’s interactions with her future mother-in-law and its implications about Italian food and its “integra[tion] into American culture” and the “golden age of Italian food” in the US post WWII
 
At about 38:50, Ira Nevin and his gas-fired oven are referenced as evidence of the convenience culture’s influence on pizza and other Italian-American foods 
 
At about 42:20, Pete and Ian discuss Ian’s book’s opening regarding some iconic scenes with Paulie Walnuts from The Sopranos, and this leads to Ian giving background on the fiery “sauce” vs. “gravy” debate
 
At about 45:35, Ian uses Stanley Tucci’s life experiences as an example of the changes in the ways Italian food has been viewed by the American culture as a whole 
 
At about 46:55, Ian

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